Logon to UM City or Apply for a UM City passport
 - UM City - The Tale of Ali Baba and his 9 Wives    Home > DOWNTUM > Sea's Mirror > The Tale of Ali Baba and his 9 Wives
x
The Tale of Ali Baba and his 9 Wives
by S.E. Ansley
x
< Previous (1)     Next (3) > Last > >   (View all)
x
x S.E. Ansley   - at 11:40 am on Friday April 22 2005 x
x The classic story of a legendary man. x
x S.E. Ansley Ali Baba and his 9 Wives The Desert of Sultans - Ali Baba was a good man. He loved his wife, nine of them in fact, but his heart truly went out to one.

She was his best friend, his inspiration, his confidant, and most loyal, trusted supporter. She'd hose down the donkeys, milk the camels, trim his beard and clip his toenails. He built her a castle with his own hands, filled it with cuddly llamas, and ensured pies and luscious cream were readily available for her in the pantry. They loved each other very much.

Ali Baba had eight other wives. Most of them were very close friends who he had met over the years of his travels and cared about all of them. For the most part, Ali Baba had great taste in women. He enjoyed the freedom of meeting new people, men and women, and getting to know them on intimate and spiritual levels.

He met his second wife when he needed an accountant, to take care of his finances. She was helpful and efficient, and their days of counting gold bullions together turned into a brief affair. They made love on a stack of jewels, and never loved again. But they did get married and she continued to do his taxes. They enjoyed wind surfing and canoe building together.

His third wife came by chance. He was searching for hidden water in the desert when a mirage unfolded before him: it was an ocean. The desert turned into beach, the beach turned into a dance party, and the dance party turned into a very bad headache the next morning. So he visited the infirmary, where a nurse tended to his wounds and quickly became a trusted friend. They were married shortly after, and she was his healer.

His fourth wife turned out to be a bitch and a whore, but Ali did not discover this until after the wedding. She was a one-month-stand with enormous breasts and a huge, tight ass gone wrong, and she used him for his wealth and his donkey. While he never forgave her for that sinful act, the two put differences aside to form a deadly tag team poker duo, where they sometimes won a little bit of money (she was also a massive cheater).

Ali Baba's fifth wife was a scholar, who studied at the Sultan's University, and was simply a brilliant mind. She could turn water into energy, and built a prototype of a clean water-fuelled cart that pulled donkeys around the desert, instead of the other way around. They became very close, and she befriended the other wives, which ended in sadness. Everybody was devastated when she was found slaughtered, hacked up and skinned by the head of an oil company. Ali Baba cried non-stop for weeks. The oil company's bullion shares went up.

By Ali Baba's sixth wife, he developed new tastes and appetites for exotic foods. He hired a chef, she cooked the most marvellous meals. He married her for her stuffed roasted monkey, the most sensational delight that wet his palette, and in turn, he wet hers. Their romance was intense, sinful, and had the aroma of a warm fishy loving by the coast.

Seven was a lucky number for Ali Baba. She became Ali's first wife's best and closest female friend. Ali was so delighted, he married her, and the three travelled the seven seas together. They tried a threesome once, but it was weird and uncomfortable. They all remained friends, and went infiltrating together whenever a palace was abandoned.

The eighth wife was another jewel for whom he cared deeply. She was athletic, fit, fast, and beautiful. She kept him in shape with daily runs and aerobics. She also had a strong opinion on politics, which helped him widen the scope of his perspective. Another wife who was readily accepted and cared for by the others.

The ninth and final wife came when Ali Baba was becoming quite old. They met as hostages on a pirate ship, which was targeted for a suicide explosion in the Lairs of Zion. They confided in each other, in their depths of misery, and between their sharp yet scurvy-bitten minds they escaped the ship before it was intercepted by a beast of the sea. They rode a whale to the shore, ran from rabid pygmies and hid in a sand bank until rival pygmies wiped the others out - three weeks later. Their bond was so strong in their adventurous survival that they married, and danced, and loved. The escape took its toll on his health, the healer healed, the accountant made spreadsheets, his cook cooked, and his love loved.

Between his wives he was well taken care of, and most of them took care of one another.

At the end of Ali Baba's life, he died surrounded by eight of his surviving wives, in the arms of his first and most loved wife.

His final words, "I loved many a wife, but you, First Wife, were my best friend", drowned out with a gasp, and Ali was buried deep under the sands of a vast swallowing desert. The wives cried, and moved on with their lives.

The moral of this story is that love is too grand a feeling to restrict to one other person, pastime, hobby or object. When you have learned how to love in genuine, unselfish and equally giving terms, you have learned how to love forever. Love should be shared with as many people as you can love, without interfering with your loves for other things.

Share love, love love, rejoice in love. Ali Baba did, and he led a very good life. Even when he caught that whore taking it from his donkey.
x
x
x x x
x x x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:17 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea zer0g mentioned something recently about only humans have meaning, the universe's existence doesn't have to have a reason or meaning for anything.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:22 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess Only humans feel the *need* to have meaning. Those of us with souls, anyway. Not all humans do, of course. Many of us are really nothing more than animals, driven by basic instincts such as the urge to reproduce as Laff has so insightfully pointed out.

But I think we have the potential for much, much more. Just a theory I suppose, and maybe wishful thinking; but I prefer to think that I was put in this place for a reason. That for all the suffering I've endured and the joy that I have experience in kind, there is something beyond all this driving me to carry on.

Could just be to prolong my suffering so someone/thing else can feed off it. Maybe one day I'll find out and maybe not. That's the paradoxical beauty of it.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:27 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea Unless we're from another planet then I doubt it. Take another whiff of the pig abatoir and tell me what nature has in store for us.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:28 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess And freedom is pretty subjective there, too. It has nothing to do with "being" tied to another person but rather "feeling" tied to another person.

A prisoner can find freedom by refusing to eat and slowly starving to death.

"Give me liberty or give me death" -- one still has the freedom of thought and choice.

You can find freedom by changing the way you think.

"The truth will set you free"

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

..and so on..
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:29 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea If I'm tied to a prison wall, I'm pretty sure that it is not freedom, despite it being that I'm tied, as well as feeling that I'm tied, because I am.

there is a difference in "being good" and "feeling good" too.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 5:30 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x Souls eh? x
x Laff Yurbatov This is where the spiritaulity element comes into play in this thread...

If we're talking soul, then what exactly are the bodies for? These are temporary vessels for our souls...

I think it'd be silly to exclude either the soul or the body, seeing how they're partnered up at least for this lifetime.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Laff Yurbatov x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:31 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "Humans can never achieve absolute freedom if they're tied and bound to somebody else. I would rather be free, than tied down, I am caged by nobody unless I choose to be where I am, not to a place, not to a person, not to friends, not to a philosophy. "

It sounds to me like you're tied to a philosophy here. ie. That I (ie. me, Marc) can never be absolutely free. I guess I can't by definition, though so...

And people change over time - not only years but day to day. Your feelings of wanting to be independent seem to me to run hot and cold. That's not an accusation of anything. I vascillate too. I don't like to talk about quitting smoking after I have 'cause I realize that it's probably going to last ten minutes.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:32 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "I think it'd be silly to exclude either the soul or the body, seeing how they're partnered up at least for this lifetime. "

The mind is the bridge between the soul and the body.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:34 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea

Posted by Marc:
It sounds to me like you're tied to a philosophy here. ie. That I (ie. me, Marc) can never be absolutely free. I guess I can't by definition, though so...



no, it's called I lived on a roof in the open air for a year and had no responsibilities other than to keep myself motivated and alive.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:35 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess You can still travel and explore while asleep. It takes training and practice, but if you are chained to a wall, it is still possible to escape.

Consciousness doesn't just live in the body. We can have more than one body, in fact. We can even have several "physical" bodies existing simultaneously. There are esoteric school that have taught these principles for centuries.

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear..
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:35 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc This from Laff:

"Only if you consider it a sacrifice and that's just a matter of subjectivity. Sacrifice and acceptance are close but very different. "

I fell off the cliff on this. Don't know what you're saying.

The scenario I pointed out is a problem.

Two people. One outcome. One sacrifice.

You can alter the problem by adding workarounds, but then it's a different problem. The toughest thing in a relationship is *having* to share when you really really don't want to.

When you really really want to see that concert but her friend from Vancouver is in town for that night only.

That's the test of love, IMO.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:39 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "no, it's called I lived on a roof in the open air for a year and had no responsibilities other than to keep myself motivated and alive. "

Wouldn't this make you more likely to find a permanent emotional and physical home ?
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:39 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess It's also the potentiality of growth and personal evolution by sacrificing one's ego. That is essentially what alchemy is all about (albeit in arcane terminology.)
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:39 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea

Posted by Marc:
When you really really want to see that concert but her friend from Vancouver is in town for that night only.




so go to the concert yourself? why people must go around and follow and leach around with the other person everywhere is total bullshit and sickening.

couples are repulsive like that. so many whipped people in relationships.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:41 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea

Posted by Marc:
Wouldn't this make you more likely to find a permanent emotional and physical home ?


do it yourself and see what thoughts you come up with.

a roamer, roams. Nobody has a true home. We all pretend we have ownership or authority over where we are, but we stake a genuine claim to nothing. Real estate agents buy and sell places and land from a planet they have no entitlement over as commodities, but nature or the universe can wipe us out at any time. And hopefully will soon. What a rush that would be.

I also think if gravity suddenly disappeared and everything floated upwards very quickly, that would be exciting too.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:41 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "so go to the concert yourself? why people must go around and follow and leach around with the other person everywhere is total bullshit and sickening. couples are repulsive like that. so many whipped people in relationships"

Nah. It's not like I would resent her for not going to the concert. But I couldn't enjoy the concert knowing that I let her down and didn't get to take part in that gathering that was important.

The loss of the self is more liberating than being able to take off at any time and grab and ice cream sandwich or a beer IMO.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 5:41 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Laff Yurbatov

Posted by Marc:

This from Laff:

"Only if you consider it a sacrifice and that's just a matter of subjectivity. Sacrifice and acceptance are close but very different. "

I fell off the cliff on this. Don't know what you're saying.

The scenario I pointed out is a problem.

Two people. One outcome. One sacrifice.




In the context of polygamy vs. monogamy - The "sacrifice" I'm assuming you refer to is that of the woman "letting" the man be polygamous against her wishes, or conversely, the man "settling down" with one partner against his desire to be polygamous. If man or woman changes perspective from it being a sacrifice to it being an acceptance, then there really is no problem at all.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Laff Yurbatov x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:45 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "a roamer, roams. Nobody has a true home. We all pretend we have ownership or authority over where we are, but we stake a genuine claim to nothing. Real estate agents buy and sell places and land from a planet they have no entitlement over as commodities, but nature or the universe can wipe us out at any time. And hopefully will soon. What a rush that would be."

Sure, real estate, ownership, pretty much anything in the human realm is a construct and is more or less built out of thin air.

But...

Just because your house can be destroyed in an instant, or a revolution, or an idea can wipe out something you worked hard for... doesn't mean it wasn't worth doing it in the first place.

I'm having a hard time resolving these ideas of yours with your obviously social tendencies.



"I also think if gravity suddenly disappeared and everything floated upwards very quickly, that would be exciting too. "

That sounds more Fantasia than the Armageddon scenario above, yes.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:46 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea

Posted by Marc:

Nah. It's not like I would resent her for not going to the concert. But I couldn't enjoy the concert knowing that I let her down and didn't get to take part in that gathering that was important.


I wouldn't resent her either! I'd go and enjoy the ridiculous sum of money spent on it. You'll see the friend after the concert, or in the future.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:47 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "In the context of polygamy vs. monogamy - The "sacrifice" I'm assuming you refer to is that of the woman "letting" the man be polygamous against her wishes, or conversely, the man "settling down" with one partner against his desire to be polygamous. If man or woman changes perspective from it being a sacrifice to it being an acceptance, then there really is no problem at all. "

Right. Simple. Problem solved.

If life were that easy...

In fact, the problem is worse than just one person having to make the sacrifice. Both people see their own choice/un-choice as "normal" and the other's as an acceptable change in their life view.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:48 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess um yeah well same goes for the man there, ya know...

but it's still one way or the other in terms of actions vs. consequences. You can put a nice label on it but ultimately it comes down to the fact that you're not really a couple anymore because the woman (or whomever, because it could be the woman screwing around) can just as easily decide that it's not worth the trouble anymore.


The loss of the self is more liberating than being able to take off at any time and grab and ice cream sandwich or a beer IMO.


You could also see it as mastery of one's self.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess
Edited by Jess on April 22 2005 at 4:53 pm
x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:49 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "I wouldn't resent her either! I'd go and enjoy the ridiculous sum of money spent on it. You'll see the friend after the concert, or in the future. "

I wouldn't do that, at least not in the context that I set up this scenario.

Are there examples of behaviors that one does for others, that require self-denial, but that one doesn't feel resentful after doing them ?

Does this make sense to you ?
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:49 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea We need perspective from single people on here.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 5:51 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Laff Yurbatov

Posted by Marc:



If life were that easy...





Life isn't easy, but living at peace with it is.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Laff Yurbatov x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:52 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess

Are there examples of behaviors that one does for others, that require self-denial, but that one doesn't feel resentful after doing them ?


Before Sea & I started seeing each other I had this huge hang up about privacy and personal space. We started living together almost right away after getting together. My hangups just somehow evapourated with the necessity of making sure he had a safe place to stay. I never really felt resentful about that.

Some other things, yes maybe.. but not the loss of space or privacy.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:52 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "You could also see it as master of one's self. "

I would see it that way if I felt that I had made some effort or done something to make it all come about.

But the scenario, at least as it applies to me... just arrived upon me. That's another reason why I wouldn't try to moralize my view on relationshops[sic]/biology/behavior on others. I've been that, done there, and did some over there behind the bush too, and there, and there...

I'm just tired so don't listen to me. Ever.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:53 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "We need perspective from single people on here. "

Or people under 30. Seriously.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:53 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "Life isn't easy, but living at peace with it is. "

Do you ever get mad ?

Does it bug you when I do THIS ?

How about THIS ?

Or THIS ?
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:54 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea

Posted by Marc:

"We need perspective from single people on here. "

Or people under 30. Seriously.


Uh hello I am not quite there yet.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 5:54 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess

Posted by Marc:

"You could also see it as master of one's self. "

I would see it that way if I felt that I had made some effort or done something to make it all come about.

But the scenario, at least as it applies to me... just arrived upon me. That's another reason why I wouldn't try to moralize my view on relationshops[sic]/biology/behavior on others. I've been that, done there, and did some over there behind the bush too, and there, and there...

I'm just tired so don't listen to me. Ever.


Uh oh too late. tongue

I get what you mean. Kinda like the example I just used. It wasn't a conscious effort on my behalf. Just arose out of necessity I suppose.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 5:59 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "Uh hello I am not quite there yet. "

I know that. That's why some of what I... all of what I say is pretty much useless.

I only think about sex 95% of the time as opposed to the 99.99% of the time I did in my twenties.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 6:04 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Laff Yurbatov

Posted by Marc:

"Life isn't easy, but living at peace with it is. "

Do you ever get mad ?

Does it bug you when I do THIS ?

How about THIS ?

Or THIS ?


Sure, I get bugged, mad, not claiming perfection or anything. I just believe that we have a simple choice - positive or negative. Does it bother me when you do this? Maybe for a while, until I take responsibility for myself and my own reaction. If I can change my situation so as to not have the trouble of "THIS", then it's my responsibility to do so. I shouldn't make it your responsibility to stop doing "THIS" to me. If there is nothing I can do to change a situation, ie loss of gravity, I can either accept it as fact, move on and adjust or live in denial and lament the loss of the gravity.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Laff Yurbatov x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 6:04 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea when I say intimate, that doesn't necessitate sex.

I miss getting to know new people deeply and intensely and whatever happens happens.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 6:09 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "Sure, I get bugged, mad, not claiming perfection or anything. I just believe that we have a simple choice - positive or negative. Does it bother me when you do this? Maybe for a while, until I take responsibility for myself and my own reaction. If I can change my situation so as to not have the trouble of "THIS", then it's my responsibility to do so. I shouldn't make it your responsibility to stop doing "THIS" to me. If there is nothing I can do to change a situation, ie loss of gravity, I can either accept it as fact, move on and adjust or live in denial and lament the loss of the gravity. "

You obviously have never been in the sheer hell ying-yang before.

Oh I see you there, Laff, sitting in your smoking jacket and your leather armchair... puffing on your pipe and chuckling softly ever so softly at those of us in life who go through these problems...

And maybe I'm sitting in a chair like that too. But it's ripped up a bit. And maybe I have an old Blue Jays jacket from the 80s with Jimmy Key written on the back instead of a smoking jacket... and maybe, just maybe... my pipe has bubbles coming out of it...

But don't assume you'll never been in the can't-live-with-can't-live-without situation or the fickle dwarves of fate might decide to visit a curse upon you in the female form.

Then you'll end up on COPS, only it won't even be civilized enough to get on the air so you won't even get your lousy $400 release form cheque.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 6:12 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea no gravity = instant death. skyscrapers will hurtle to the heavens.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
x Unread post xMarc   - at 6:14 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Marc "no gravity = instant death. skyscrapers will hurtle to the heavens. "

All right, all right.

You couldn't let me have my little floaty care-bare fantasy even for one thread page, could you ?
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Marc x
x
x Unread post xJess   - at 6:37 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Jess

Posted by Marc:

You couldn't let me have my little floaty care-bare fantasy even for one thread page, could you ?


No. Only Sea is ever allowed such a privilege.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Jess x
x
x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 7:42 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Laff Yurbatov

Posted by Marc:

You obviously have never been in the sheer hell ying-yang before.


Everyone has their own version of hell. And I've seen my share, don't you worry. Maybe it's what I've learned from being in hell that enables me to see it from this perspective?


Oh I see you there, Laff, sitting in your smoking jacket and your leather armchair... puffing on your pipe and chuckling softly ever so softly at those of us in life who go through these problems...


Not quite. If anything, what I am saying is empowering, not belittling. If only I was aware that I had these choices back when I dealt with my first heart-break...


But don't assume you'll never been in the can't-live-with-can't-live-without situation or the fickle dwarves of fate might decide to visit a curse upon you in the female form.


Victoria. We've had our ups and downs and it's definately been can't live with/without for us. My choice has been to continue with our relationship...I am still learning from her.


Then you'll end up on COPS, only it won't even be civilized enough to get on the air so you won't even get your lousy $400 release form cheque.


Bad boys bad boys...

Bad girls bad girls...

Nobody is above COPS.
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Laff Yurbatov x
x
x Unread post xBent Brain   - at 8:08 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x Wish I had been here the whole time! x
x Bent Brain Okay... I finally got the low down from Laff about what topic was being discussed here today. I feel slightly gifted in that I was able to read this in one long spool instead of trying to keep up with the responses. I am seeing a few threads in this conversation and it starts with Laffs comments about the instinctive motivation for men and women. That ideal is challenging when trying to apply it to humans because we separate that ideal from the animalistic ideology. That is why the call it HUMANITY! We are unable to live in both worlds at the same time, all the time...

I feel that the core issue (assuming that animalistic desires to procreate are one aspect of our motivation) is the culturalization we all seem to be inflicted with to some degree. We have been programmed to attach ourselves to everything. We claim ownership! Universal Sea is speaking gospel when talking about the idea that Real Estate and relationships both have the same system of staking claim on something...

In both cases it is unattainable! The behavioral structures we participate in are based on expectations we use in order to navigate the immense challenge of sharing energy with everybody all day long whether you like it or not!!! The idea that only ONE of ALL the people I encounter in a day could possibly connect with me is obserd, and I choose to remain open to the chance that I might meet someone beautiful. (The idea of gender is deeply ingrained... I don't consider there to be a gap when talking about issues of Economy, Sociology, or Phsycology only in animalism.)

I read the criteria before entering this conversation...
I am under 30
I am single
I have fulfilling relationships with more than one person
and I celebrate overcoming this stupid game of expectations and assumptions by excersising choice!
I feel that One does not HAVE to miss the concert and stay with The Other and their friends. You CHOOSE to! The expectation (or assumption therof) makes you feel bad for having made the choice.

I am not saying that any of it is wrong... I am simply suggesting that we make choices to sacrifice, to comprimise, to assume, and most of all... to not express our true desire (again... I think the reason for withholding our true desires is based on assumption and expectation. AKA FEAR.)

The world revolves around none of us! Even the closest people in our lives want completely different things for themselves than we do... And then flip the coin...

I don't practice monogamy or palygamy. I remain open for the chance that I can connect with someone in a way that comes from a place of desire (sexual and otherwise) I can make that choice at any time I want. I exploit no one and celebrate the choice that my partners make to be with me... Knowing the truth about my beliefs. I celebrate having no claim on anyone in my life...

Try striking the word "my" from your introductions of one person to another and get a glimpse of how deep our indoctrination of ownership really is.

Just a thought!
=)
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Bent Brain x
x
x Unread post xxVictoria   - at 8:25 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Victoria "Victoria. We've had our ups and downs and it's definately been can't live with/without for us. My choice has been to continue with our relationship...I am still learning from her."

YES! I definitely agree! That's it!
It comes down to being about choice and we have chosen to have our relationship be a monogamous one (it works immensely for us)..
As we can understand both sides - polygamy and monogomy - we have decided what's acceptable for us and only us - AND love it AND eachother AND the world - because that's what we WANT.
After all, we're just humans/animals on this planet with desires and emotions. While we're here, finding that ONE who completely satisifies all of the above and more is sooo cool - AND that's what I define as having the best of both worlds!

To each his own...

I'm still learning too..
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Victoria x
x
x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 8:26 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x x
x Universal Sea when are you going to live with each other and when are you going to get married?
x
x
x x x
x x View the profile for Universal Sea x
x
^ ^ Back to top
< Previous (1)     Next (3) > Last > >   (View all)
x
< < return to Sea's Mirror, DOWNTUM
Logon to UM City or Apply for a UM City passport
x
x
City home | Login/Signup