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The Tale of Ali Baba and his 9 Wives
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x S.E. Ansley   - at 11:40 am on Friday April 22 2005 x
x The classic story of a legendary man. x
x S.E. Ansley Ali Baba and his 9 Wives The Desert of Sultans - Ali Baba was a good man. He loved his wife, nine of them in fact, but his heart truly went out to one.

She was his best friend, his inspiration, his confidant, and most loyal, trusted supporter. She'd hose down the donkeys, milk the camels, trim his beard and clip his toenails. He built her a castle with his own hands, filled it with cuddly llamas, and ensured pies and luscious cream were readily available for her in the pantry. They loved each other very much.

Ali Baba had eight other wives. Most of them were very close friends who he had met over the years of his travels and cared about all of them. For the most part, Ali Baba had great taste in women. He enjoyed the freedom of meeting new people, men and women, and getting to know them on intimate and spiritual levels.

He met his second wife when he needed an accountant, to take care of his finances. She was helpful and efficient, and their days of counting gold bullions together turned into a brief affair. They made love on a stack of jewels, and never loved again. But they did get married and she continued to do his taxes. They enjoyed wind surfing and canoe building together.

His third wife came by chance. He was searching for hidden water in the desert when a mirage unfolded before him: it was an ocean. The desert turned into beach, the beach turned into a dance party, and the dance party turned into a very bad headache the next morning. So he visited the infirmary, where a nurse tended to his wounds and quickly became a trusted friend. They were married shortly after, and she was his healer.

His fourth wife turned out to be a bitch and a whore, but Ali did not discover this until after the wedding. She was a one-month-stand with enormous breasts and a huge, tight ass gone wrong, and she used him for his wealth and his donkey. While he never forgave her for that sinful act, the two put differences aside to form a deadly tag team poker duo, where they sometimes won a little bit of money (she was also a massive cheater).

Ali Baba's fifth wife was a scholar, who studied at the Sultan's University, and was simply a brilliant mind. She could turn water into energy, and built a prototype of a clean water-fuelled cart that pulled donkeys around the desert, instead of the other way around. They became very close, and she befriended the other wives, which ended in sadness. Everybody was devastated when she was found slaughtered, hacked up and skinned by the head of an oil company. Ali Baba cried non-stop for weeks. The oil company's bullion shares went up.

By Ali Baba's sixth wife, he developed new tastes and appetites for exotic foods. He hired a chef, she cooked the most marvellous meals. He married her for her stuffed roasted monkey, the most sensational delight that wet his palette, and in turn, he wet hers. Their romance was intense, sinful, and had the aroma of a warm fishy loving by the coast.

Seven was a lucky number for Ali Baba. She became Ali's first wife's best and closest female friend. Ali was so delighted, he married her, and the three travelled the seven seas together. They tried a threesome once, but it was weird and uncomfortable. They all remained friends, and went infiltrating together whenever a palace was abandoned.

The eighth wife was another jewel for whom he cared deeply. She was athletic, fit, fast, and beautiful. She kept him in shape with daily runs and aerobics. She also had a strong opinion on politics, which helped him widen the scope of his perspective. Another wife who was readily accepted and cared for by the others.

The ninth and final wife came when Ali Baba was becoming quite old. They met as hostages on a pirate ship, which was targeted for a suicide explosion in the Lairs of Zion. They confided in each other, in their depths of misery, and between their sharp yet scurvy-bitten minds they escaped the ship before it was intercepted by a beast of the sea. They rode a whale to the shore, ran from rabid pygmies and hid in a sand bank until rival pygmies wiped the others out - three weeks later. Their bond was so strong in their adventurous survival that they married, and danced, and loved. The escape took its toll on his health, the healer healed, the accountant made spreadsheets, his cook cooked, and his love loved.

Between his wives he was well taken care of, and most of them took care of one another.

At the end of Ali Baba's life, he died surrounded by eight of his surviving wives, in the arms of his first and most loved wife.

His final words, "I loved many a wife, but you, First Wife, were my best friend", drowned out with a gasp, and Ali was buried deep under the sands of a vast swallowing desert. The wives cried, and moved on with their lives.

The moral of this story is that love is too grand a feeling to restrict to one other person, pastime, hobby or object. When you have learned how to love in genuine, unselfish and equally giving terms, you have learned how to love forever. Love should be shared with as many people as you can love, without interfering with your loves for other things.

Share love, love love, rejoice in love. Ali Baba did, and he led a very good life. Even when he caught that whore taking it from his donkey.
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x Universal Sea when are you going to live with each other and when are you going to get married?
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x Unread post xBent Brain   - at 8:32 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Bent Brain I ammend one thing I posted earlier... The only thing we should try to own is our shit! Simply be accountabe for your choices and it is not wrong to make any choice. That means be accountable for the choice to be with a specific person... any person, and be accountable for the expectations we place on others... Consiously or otherwise.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 8:33 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Universal Sea ...or surround yourself with people of whom your only expectation is that they keep their word, and if they can't, they'll let you know.

too many liars, mischievous distrustful people and non-communicators around.
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x Unread post xLaff Yurbatov   - at 8:34 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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Posted by universal sea:

when are you going to live with each other and when are you going to get married?


Who knows! Maybe so, maybe not... Maybe she has to make a choice to go, or maybe I do...for now we've chosen to stay and that could last forever or a day.
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x Unread post xBent Brain   - at 8:36 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Bent Brain Too many is right... Call it fear, programming... I don't care! We need to communicate. We need to tell the truth!
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x Unread post xjeffwith1f   - at 8:56 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x jeffwith1f Nice telling of the tale

I think the concept of multiple wives for multiple needs works as long as it's a fair playing ground and all said wives could have as many husbands as they desired as well, and all parties involved were cool with what was going on.

I can tell you that the most successful relationship that I've ever had is with someone who I am also most inclined to do separate stuff from as well. Zoe and I routinely do separate things, and hang out with other people, and even hang out in the same bar on the same evening but sit with separate groups of people all night.

we know we always come back to eachother at the end of the evening, and it's not at all weird, though people sometimes ask us if we are fighting (the answer is usually no)

certainly into every life there will be separate and equal loves of people and things and activites. We all have the capacity to love many things and people at the same time. In different and the same ways.
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x Unread post xJess   - at 8:59 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Jess I get the feeling we've come full circle to the point where we've all been basically debating the same points from different sides.

Maybe I'm way off there but it seems to me that it's really a matter of free will and trying not to impose our own on others. Relationships should not be about ownership; and if that's how they feel they have become, then it's time to communicate - yes.

One point (I'm not nit-picking here, I'm really not!) is that of identification and attachment. You can choose to be or feel any way you want when it really comes down to it.. So yes, you can own your actions and attitudes, but should not be owned by them at the same time. There comes a point where you have to say, I was once like that but I don't have to be now. I think that's more or less a buddhist principle and has a lot to say about the notion of freedom. Real freedom requires some degree of work. Or so I think anyway....
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Posted by jeffwith1f:

I think the concept of multiple wives for multiple needs works as long as it's a fair playing ground and all said wives could have as many husbands as they desired as well, and all parties involved were cool with what was going on.


but of course. Ali Baba is a respectful and fair guy. What he can have, so can anybody else, and if somebody's not cool with something, they're voted out of the desert.
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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 9:01 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x when are you going to live with each other and when are you going to get married? x
x Victoria Exactly! Who knows!
Being happy and satisified with one's own current status is what matters, really
As for us, we're content and satisified with ours, so we don't question it any further..
If and when we choose to, you'll be one of the first to know!
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x Universal Sea I love Jess most of all for the freedom she gives me to be who I am and do what I choose, and I respect her immensely for that. If she ever became unhappy with any of that, I wouldn't expect anything else than for her to take appropriate action, that's cool.

She is the best and our relationship is amazing. I guess I'm greedy in that I want to meet more wonderful Jesses, and help them in their lives.
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Posted by universal sea:

I love Jess most of all for the freedom she gives me to be who I am and do what I choose, and I respect her immensely for that. If she ever became unhappy with any of that, I wouldn't expect anything else than for her to take appropriate action, that's cool.

She is the best and our relationship is amazing. I guess I'm greedy in that I want to meet more wonderful Jesses, and help them in their lives.


Thanx baby that means a lot.. kiss

I can't say it's all been easy. I've learned a lot from you but I don't think you're fully aware of how or what - it's more by proxy than anything. In a way you've made me who I am and who you love.

Perhaps my problem is that I *know* I wouldn't meet any other Sea's. You might find other Jesses.. I don't know.. maybe even someone better than me. I see our relationship for what it is and I can't really imagine sharing my life with anybody else..
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Posted by Jess:


There comes a point where you have to say, I was once like that but I don't have to be now. I think that's more or less a buddhist principle and has a lot to say about the notion of freedom. Real freedom requires some degree of work. Or so I think anyway....


I guess I assumed that our common goal is to grow through these conditionings to become a different person... That point comes, and goes and comes again where we should be proud of what we have become without being what we were...

Sounds like we have a lot of love being projected here and a willingness to engage each other in open conversation... (My first as far as forums go!)

I also love and commend partners on being able to be separate while being together... I think it is very healthy to hang out with different groups and forget about your lover for a while... Power to you if you do so in the same room!
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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 9:09 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Victoria "we know we always come back to eachother at the end of the evening, and it's not at all weird"

That's the best feeling - that to me feels the most free
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Posted by Jess:

Perhaps my problem is that I *know* I wouldn't meet any other Sea's. You might find other Jesses.. I don't know.. maybe even someone better than me. I see our relationship for what it is and I can't really imagine sharing my life with anybody else..


not better, that's subjective. somebody who makes me cream on command who yearns for my bent cock and wants to fuck me 5 times a day, maybe.

there are many beautiful people who live in a shell and need encouragement to come out. I don't think you can do that without some level of intimacy and somebody who tries to get the most out of everybody.
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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 9:16 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
x Perhaps my problem is that I *know* I wouldn't meet any other Sea's x
x Victoria I know how that feels!
I know I wouldn't meet any other Ben's (oops, Laff's)
Frankly, I don't want to.
I don't think that's a problem, though.
It's a full feeling, and it's wonderful!
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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 9:30 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Victoria "There comes a point where you have to say, I was once like that but I don't have to be now"

YES!
Acknowledging that and learning from that is strength and freedom
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that's a very nice way of thinking about it. smile
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 10:17 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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This is freedom

This is freedom

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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 11:13 pm on Friday April 22 2005 x
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 12:54 am on Saturday April 23 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Something else I don't like about coupledom is how votes are assumed to be two per unit. Usually one each of a stronger and a weaker character, whose roles reverse from time to time, but one is always superior, even if only so subtly.

What I'm saying is green tea.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 12:57 am on Saturday April 23 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Oh my point was about following and leading.

I feel like I'm a pope in a school of recruits. Teaching, guiding. When they are strong, I move on. But if too weak, they die.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 1:12 am on Saturday April 23 2005 x
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x Unread post xJess   - at 2:24 pm on Saturday April 23 2005 x
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x Jess The best teachers are also students.

I was going to comment that somewhere else about Jesus Christ but it fits better here.

And more subjectivity - what is weak and what is strong? Or as in the Art of War: "Make them think you are weak when you are strong, etc.."

There are more to people than their external behaviours and attitueds
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 4:56 pm on Saturday April 23 2005 x
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x Universal Sea people grow apart. you can also only give a person so much of an opportunity to change.

people also get old too, when others want to stay young. too bad it has to be so sad.
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x Unread post xVictoria   - at 6:31 pm on Saturday April 23 2005 x
x you can also only give a person so much of an opportunity to change. x
x Victoria There is more opportunity in only giving oneself the opportunity to change their expectations of others
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x Jzohn I particularily enjoy, in this thread, what the women write.

just lump this in with the rest.
If Ali Baba's heart, truly, only went out to one of the nine wives,
then his heart went out falsely to the rest of them? He may have been very stressed,
while caring that bag of lies. but, marriage can take on many forms. while, love is too grande a feeling to restrict.--how true
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Posted by Marc:

And ... again ... WHY IS BILLYT on the COVER ?!?


It clearly isn't me. I could never grow lambchops like that.
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Posted by universal sea:
I feel like I'm a pope in a school of recruits. Teaching, guiding. When they are strong, I move on. But if too weak, they die.


Is this really how you view yourself, and the people around you?
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 10:35 am on Monday April 25 2005 x
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around schmucks like you? dunno.
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Posted by Jzohn:

If Ali Baba's heart, truly, only went out to one of the nine wives,
then his heart went out falsely to the rest of them?


I think that means he could have really lived without all of them except for the first one.
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Posted by Marc:

Why did BillyT pose for the cover ?


Or do you maybe mean the chick.

It's been known. For the right price.

For no price, actually.
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Posted by universal sea:


Posted by Jzohn:

If Ali Baba's heart, truly, only went out to one of the nine wives,
then his heart went out falsely to the rest of them?


I think that means he could have really lived without all of them except for the first one.



I see , well said
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x Understated I've finally gotten around to reading this thread and have decided that I'm pretty damn immature in these matters (relationships and love). However, I'll contribute my point of view anyway.

When it comes to girls I'm very picky... like VERY picky. I'm 26, and have only had 1 real gf years ago. I'm the type of guy who has a lot of female friends. And I know that even if I get into a serious relationship with a girl, that I'll never stop having all these girl friends. In other words, if I'm in love with a girl and her with me, I (like Ali) will still have all these close relationships with other girls ONLY I won't be having or wanting to have sex with any of them. So basically I believe in monogamy... probably because of my upbringing and parents' influence.

Having said that, I can see myself going two ways when I finally move downtown.
Scenario #1: Finally emerge as the true mack-daddy that I am and finally follow through on all the opportunities that I always get myself in. (But usually back away from).
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Scenario #2: That I'll happen to find someone who I'm basically compatible with, have a long relationship, and just end up staying together (marriage) out of convenience (settling for the sake of it).

#2 is a little scary to me, because I usually frown upon couples who, in my eyes, are just staying together because of convenience or are simply too scared to step into the water again even though there are clear signs that the relationship isn't really working anymore. To these couples, they mask the word 'settle' with the word 'love'. Getting lazy and saying, "I'd like to break up and see what's out there, but I do'nt think I'll find anyone as good as ____, even though i really don't like ___ that way anymore." Do you know what I mean?
(Again, what the hell do I know... I still have lotsa growing to do.)

Ideally, I'll do lotsa Scenario #1, and end up with a modified Scenario #2 where I won't have a feeling that I'm 'settling' with anyone out of convenience, but actually feeling thrilled and clear-minded that this person is indeed THE ONE for me. Haha... if only it were that easy.

Either way, I know that once I find someone I truly love, that I'll be 100% devoted to her (and of course, her to me).

Oh and one other thing. I don't believe that there's a SOUL MATE out there. I think that there's a number of people who you can live happily with for the rest of your life. It just depends on the degree of the 'settling' factor. Haha... if that makes any sense.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 11:39 pm on Tuesday April 26 2005 x
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x Universal Sea I think that's an awful lot of planning/speculating and not enough living/letting it play out. That's what being real is about boy, not pretending you have to get real.

As Evren says, slick clothes and contacts and you'd become studly.
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Not enough 'letting it play out'? All I DO, is let things play out.
Nothing wrong with speculating about the future and how I'll behave. It's not about 'pretending to get real' when I know that I already am.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 12:09 am on Wednesday April 27 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Then everybody's real.

Speculation is based on generating fictitious possibilities. Two options means one of them is not true. That is hardly real.
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All I know is that whatever situation I'll find myself in the future, I'll act accordingly, and that is real.
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then why say it?
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x Universal Sea adds a couple of snarky remarks suggesting he's still pouting over very own relationship matters and other people's opinions on them.

yet no perspective of his own.

why waste time worrying about relationships? why should they consume so much effort? what is so important about them?
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I get pleasure from relationships, therefore they are important.
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x Universal Sea why are they worth feeling miserable about when they go wrong where it affects other things in one's life?
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