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The Tale of Ali Baba and his 9 Wives
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x S.E. Ansley   - at 11:40 am on Friday April 22‚ 2005 x
x The classic story of a legendary man. x
x S.E. Ansley Ali Baba and his 9 Wives The Desert of Sultans - Ali Baba was a good man. He loved his wife, nine of them in fact, but his heart truly went out to one.

She was his best friend, his inspiration, his confidant, and most loyal, trusted supporter. She'd hose down the donkeys, milk the camels, trim his beard and clip his toenails. He built her a castle with his own hands, filled it with cuddly llamas, and ensured pies and luscious cream were readily available for her in the pantry. They loved each other very much.

Ali Baba had eight other wives. Most of them were very close friends who he had met over the years of his travels and cared about all of them. For the most part, Ali Baba had great taste in women. He enjoyed the freedom of meeting new people, men and women, and getting to know them on intimate and spiritual levels.

He met his second wife when he needed an accountant, to take care of his finances. She was helpful and efficient, and their days of counting gold bullions together turned into a brief affair. They made love on a stack of jewels, and never loved again. But they did get married and she continued to do his taxes. They enjoyed wind surfing and canoe building together.

His third wife came by chance. He was searching for hidden water in the desert when a mirage unfolded before him: it was an ocean. The desert turned into beach, the beach turned into a dance party, and the dance party turned into a very bad headache the next morning. So he visited the infirmary, where a nurse tended to his wounds and quickly became a trusted friend. They were married shortly after, and she was his healer.

His fourth wife turned out to be a bitch and a whore, but Ali did not discover this until after the wedding. She was a one-month-stand with enormous breasts and a huge, tight ass gone wrong, and she used him for his wealth and his donkey. While he never forgave her for that sinful act, the two put differences aside to form a deadly tag team poker duo, where they sometimes won a little bit of money (she was also a massive cheater).

Ali Baba's fifth wife was a scholar, who studied at the Sultan's University, and was simply a brilliant mind. She could turn water into energy, and built a prototype of a clean water-fuelled cart that pulled donkeys around the desert, instead of the other way around. They became very close, and she befriended the other wives, which ended in sadness. Everybody was devastated when she was found slaughtered, hacked up and skinned by the head of an oil company. Ali Baba cried non-stop for weeks. The oil company's bullion shares went up.

By Ali Baba's sixth wife, he developed new tastes and appetites for exotic foods. He hired a chef, she cooked the most marvellous meals. He married her for her stuffed roasted monkey, the most sensational delight that wet his palette, and in turn, he wet hers. Their romance was intense, sinful, and had the aroma of a warm fishy loving by the coast.

Seven was a lucky number for Ali Baba. She became Ali's first wife's best and closest female friend. Ali was so delighted, he married her, and the three travelled the seven seas together. They tried a threesome once, but it was weird and uncomfortable. They all remained friends, and went infiltrating together whenever a palace was abandoned.

The eighth wife was another jewel for whom he cared deeply. She was athletic, fit, fast, and beautiful. She kept him in shape with daily runs and aerobics. She also had a strong opinion on politics, which helped him widen the scope of his perspective. Another wife who was readily accepted and cared for by the others.

The ninth and final wife came when Ali Baba was becoming quite old. They met as hostages on a pirate ship, which was targeted for a suicide explosion in the Lairs of Zion. They confided in each other, in their depths of misery, and between their sharp yet scurvy-bitten minds they escaped the ship before it was intercepted by a beast of the sea. They rode a whale to the shore, ran from rabid pygmies and hid in a sand bank until rival pygmies wiped the others out - three weeks later. Their bond was so strong in their adventurous survival that they married, and danced, and loved. The escape took its toll on his health, the healer healed, the accountant made spreadsheets, his cook cooked, and his love loved.

Between his wives he was well taken care of, and most of them took care of one another.

At the end of Ali Baba's life, he died surrounded by eight of his surviving wives, in the arms of his first and most loved wife.

His final words, "I loved many a wife, but you, First Wife, were my best friend", drowned out with a gasp, and Ali was buried deep under the sands of a vast swallowing desert. The wives cried, and moved on with their lives.

The moral of this story is that love is too grand a feeling to restrict to one other person, pastime, hobby or object. When you have learned how to love in genuine, unselfish and equally giving terms, you have learned how to love forever. Love should be shared with as many people as you can love, without interfering with your loves for other things.

Share love, love love, rejoice in love. Ali Baba did, and he led a very good life. Even when he caught that whore taking it from his donkey.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 1:26 am on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea why are they worth feeling miserable about when they go wrong where it affects other things in one's life?
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x Unread post xJess   - at 10:03 am on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Jess same reason it's worth you feeling miserable about your percieved destructive nature.

Some things are just worth more to people than others. Why do you assume everybody has to feel the same way about things as you do?

Same thing again..

You're being myopic and pedantic.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 10:12 am on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea dump me. and make ali baba a happy gent.
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x Unread post xJess   - at 10:19 am on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Jess now who's the one pouting about relationships I wonder?
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 10:22 am on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Not I!

either outcome I have good options and can be happy with.
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x Unread post xMarc   - at 12:57 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Marc "why are they worth feeling miserable about when they go wrong where it affects other things in one's life?"

This seems to imply that one has complete control over their emotional state. ie. Should I feel miserable about this situation or not ?

Certainly one has some control over their emotional state, but I've yet to meet a person who has complete control over whether they feel happy/sad/lost over a lost relationship.

Emotions are irrational. They have a life of their own and often they happen whether we want them to or not. They are also a neccessary part of life and human life is meaningless without it.

It seems to me that a great part of life is taken up with resolving our emotional states with the reality we live in.
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x Unread post xjeffwith1f   - at 1:38 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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the vulcans got it right

the vulcans got it right
if only we had total emotional control....i'm sure music would be much more dull though.

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Edited by Universal Sea on April 27‚ 2005 at 12:56 pm
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x Unread post xjeffwith1f   - at 1:45 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x jeffwith1f damn it.
image showed in preview.

picture of Spock DJ-ing.
use your minds eye.....
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x Unread post xbalancing act   - at 3:32 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x balancing act Perhaps if you looked a little closer and read this version of Ali Baba 's story again you would see a different twist. Ali Baba loved only one of the wifes. A smart man knows that when he has a good woman he holds her tight to him. But, that doesn't mean that you can't be intimate with the other sex (without sex involved) The other relationships can help build the one you are in....


Ali Baba only loved one of his wifes truly in every sense of love....the hardest thing is not finding love but, loving oneself. That is the hardest tasks a human can face.... so let's make love not war......
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 3:35 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Why is there a rule or a sin that intimacy with another person can't involve sex? What is that based on?
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x Unread post xbalancing act   - at 3:38 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x balancing act no rule, no sin... but think about it all intimacy does not require sex. Yes, it's nice,,,, but not necessary...
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 3:44 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea It's a sin in christianity - thou shalt not commit adultery, although Thou Shalt Not Diddle Young Boys or Nuns is not.

Definition of intimacy:


n. pl. in·ti·ma·cies
1. The condition of being intimate.
2. An instance of being intimate.


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x Unread post xbalancing act   - at 3:52 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x balancing act intimate: marked by close acquaintance, association, or familiarity.

A close friend or confidant.
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x Unread post xJess   - at 4:23 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Unread post xbalancing act   - at 4:30 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x balancing act Don't take it to seriously.. i knew i shouldn't tread in this thread... smile...
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x Unread post xMarc   - at 4:38 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Marc "Why is there a rule or a sin that intimacy with another person can't involve sex? What is that based on?"

Based on laws that were established in early Mesopotamia based on health codes and ways to avoid mayhem in overcrowded cities.

"It's a sin in christianity - thou shalt not commit adultery, "

I think all of the big 3 disallow this sort of stuff, don't they ?

"although Thou Shalt Not Diddle Young Boys or Nuns is not."

Incorrect. This is a form of fornication, which is a sin.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 4:41 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Obesity is a form of fornication then.
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 5:58 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Seeing other people's relationships and openly/honestly debating personal points of view has been very beneficial to my own relationship. Particularly when I chat with pretty much anybody about their relationships. Jess is awesome and I feel a lot safer.

Still nothing other than keeping very busy is keeping my mind off from bang bang bangin'.
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x Unread post xMarc   - at 6:35 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Marc "Obesity is a form of fornication then."

I don't follow that...

I guess my response is "no it isn't".

"Seeing other people's relationships and openly/honestly debating personal points of view has been very beneficial to my own relationship. Particularly when I chat with pretty much anybody about their relationships. Jess is awesome and I feel a lot safer.

Still nothing other than keeping very busy is keeping my mind off from bang bang bangin'. "

I wish you could be me for one minute and just feel the weariness I feel when I think of all of the useless couplings I have been involved in through the years. At some point my body just came to recognize the fools gold that lies beneath the vast fields of sexual opportunities. It's always there calling you, but even if you indulge, it's never enough to satisfy.

But you can't know these things intellectually, IMO. You have to feel them.

What's that saying - nothing worth knowing can be learned by the brain ?
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 6:38 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea I need to feel pain to know what I had. I think many of us do, maybe guilt when a loved one dies for not spending more time with that loved one.
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x Unread post xjeffwith1f   - at 7:19 pm on Wednesday April 27‚ 2005 x
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x jeffwith1f I know it's cliche, but...

I lost someone very dear to me for reasons not unlike discussed above.
I wanted more sex (I was 27 after all) she was a bit older, and we had been at it for a long time. She wasn't feeling the passion like she used too...this made me ornary and bounce off the walls and generally an ass. (Why can't I love many people? I sometimes thought, mirroring the original article) this in turn made her pull back, which made me needy for emotional as well as physical affection. which drove her farther away.. dowwards spiral
ultimatly an ending.

while I was under the influence of some very potent hormones within me, it was only a year or so later (as I hit 30ish...your milage may vary) that all of a sudden this whole "I need to bang bang bang all day long" became less of an issue

it's still there, it's just not deal breaking anymore.

While I love my wife dearly, and ultimately am happy where I ended up, I wish I could have gotten my shit together to have not started the problems that ultimately led to the demise of that relationship. It was the best thing that had ever happened to me in my life up to that point, and outside of this bull-shit, there was no reason it had to end.

Sure there were other issues, and sure this is my experience in my relationship and not you and yours...

but I can't shake the "I've been down this path, and I will regret till my dying day how I allowed it to resolve itself" feeling.

fairly warned be ye, says I
Arrrrrr....

Caveat: I'm a sentimental bastard, and I fit into coupledom like one of those round pegs. not for everyone for sure.
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Posted by Jess:

Ali Baba sounds like a pretty useless guy. His wives could have left him and started their own successful nation with their combined talents and resources, leaving Ali with his well-deserved donkey.


This is true, but the moral of the story was also true in a sense that few often see.

Speaking of spreading the love,
You can BOTH be right you know?

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Posted by Jess:

Sea needs to go to a cuddle party sometime. grin


OOOOOH!

and methinks someone is projecting just a little bit here. no?
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Posted by Jess:

same reason it's worth you feeling miserable about your percieved destructive nature.

Some things are just worth more to people than others. Why do you assume everybody has to feel the same way about things as you do?

Same thing again..

You're being myopic and pedantic.


you know, to say pedantic is to be pedan....hey, wait......and you guys were getting along so well.

Well, for what it's worth *I* Love you guys. So there.
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Posted by universal sea:

Why is there a rule or a sin that intimacy with another person can't involve sex? What is that based on?


This is a good and valid question, though the validity of the answer will differ from person to person. For example, I just don't like sex, but having my good close friends around....AWESOME.
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x Unread post xJess   - at 9:27 am on Thursday April 28‚ 2005 x
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Just coz Sea & I say nasty things to each other on here doesn't mean we're not getting along. wink

This is often a harsh and inhospitable place.

Frankly I don't know why people keep coming back. huh
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x Unread post xUniversal Sea   - at 9:32 am on Thursday April 28‚ 2005 x
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x Universal Sea Jess and I have the most wonderful time together, good or bad, we are best friends. We don't fight at all or argue much in person. I think we get out most of our problems here on the board.
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x Unread post xJess   - at 9:43 am on Thursday April 28‚ 2005 x
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x Jess Yes it's possible. Anybody having an especially cuddly relationship with parents or siblings knows this.

I didn't. It's not that I wasn't loved. It was that for some reason as an infant, I was really squirmy and didn't care to be held much. My Dad didn't help by throwing me in the air like most babies enjoy. Bless him.. I would just freeze and look petrified. My mom and brother are very close and hug all the time; but I grew up very independant and not too touchy-feely..

Intimacy isn't the same thing as touching, either. Although touching can be a big part of breaking down boundaries that leads to intimacy. See the shamanic work of Frank Moore for more on pushing such envelopes. We know somebody who does this work and I think I understand the methodology..

Like a lot of things, there are no black/white, right/wrong, ways of approaching relationships. My values aren't the same as others' values. For example, I would prefer you always be honest with me rather than you greet me with a hug everytime we meet or part company. Some people on the other hand need that hug..

Intimacy is almost always based on trust. Whether that be trust in being able to tell your innermost secrets without judgement or trust in being able to provide a shoulder to cry on when life is hard. I think it varies from relationship to relationship depending on how long a time you spend with a person and what kind of quality (hence "quality time") that time is..

I would even go as far to say that I think that people with a greater sense of self are capable of greater levels of intimacy without the fear of "losing yourself." Fear is the greatest killer of intimacy and this leads to hate. It doesn't kill the intimacy so much as leverage it to hurt the other person. If you can love yourself, then this negates the process and intimacy is easier. Or so I think anyway...
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Posted by Jess:

Yes it's possible. Anybody having an especially cuddly relationship with parents or siblings knows this.

I didn't. It's not that I wasn't loved. It was that for some reason as an infant, I was really squirmy and didn't care to be held much. My Dad didn't help by throwing me in the air like most babies enjoy. Bless him.. I would just freeze and look petrified. My mom and brother are very close and hug all the time; but I grew up very independant and not too touchy-feely..

Intimacy isn't the same thing as touching, either. Although touching can be a big part of breaking down boundaries that leads to intimacy. See the shamanic work of Frank Moore for more on pushing such envelopes. We know somebody who does this work and I think I understand the methodology..

Like a lot of things, there are no black/white, right/wrong, ways of approaching relationships. My values aren't the same as others' values. For example, I would prefer you always be honest with me rather than you greet me with a hug everytime we meet or part company. Some people on the other hand need that hug..

Intimacy is almost always based on trust. Whether that be trust in being able to tell your innermost secrets without judgement or trust in being able to provide a shoulder to cry on when life is hard. I think it varies from relationship to relationship depending on how long a time you spend with a person and what kind of quality (hence "quality time") that time is..

I would even go as far to say that I think that people with a greater sense of self are capable of greater levels of intimacy without the fear of "losing yourself." Fear is the greatest killer of intimacy and this leads to hate. It doesn't kill the intimacy so much as leverage it to hurt the other person. If you can love yourself, then this negates the process and intimacy is easier. Or so I think anyway...


This is all consistant with my own thinking as well.
What a great mind-opening forum this is.
I am grateful for the opportunity to share here.
Thank you.
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x Universal Sea This truly was a UM classic.
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i'm in an interesting relationship and i definitely want to lend my 2 cents now that i'm in the midst of this...
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I'm in the process of living it out myself, in some ways.
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i have to have sex w/ the other women in my life first... then i'll be following it. working on it tho...

in the meantime, i'll keep having fun in this ridiculously fun relationship i currently find myself in... so much fun. learning a lot and gaining lots of experience... not to mention the satisfaction of pleasing her.

the Summer of Undie has been epic so far...

september is shaping up to be pretty good too!
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fuck it fuck it fuck it

it's so 2005....
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x Universal Sea Ali Baba might be a crock of shit. I've found I can only legitimately love one person at a time, and I've tried some of these ideas.

Such a funny article, sometimes I can't believe I can do these things.
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and frankly that never happens

as Yoda said in Star Wars Episode III
"jealosy is the shadow of greed"

mmmm
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